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Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5845	Posted - 2014.05.07 09:53:00 - [1] - Quote March rabbit wrote: yea. I have noticed the same: miners work better than 'real players' Of course. They've gotten the capabilities of the real players repeatedly nerfed over the years. It's only proof of one thing. Clearly, mining is too easy. I suggest we add loot spew to the asteroids. The added benefit being that you pretty much cannot bot it, and surely miners would never approve of botting, right? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5845	Posted - 2014.05.07 10:02:00 - [2] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Of course. They've gotten the capabilities of the real players repeatedly nerfed over the years. It's only proof of one thing. Clearly, mining is too easy. I suggest we add loot spew to the asteroids. The added benefit being that you pretty much cannot bot it, and surely miners would never approve of botting, right? [broken record mode] ...mining is a valid playstyle, it just has different challenges - mining is a valid... [/broken record mode] What challenge? Setting an egg timer to alt tab back from watching Family Guy on Netflix? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5845	Posted - 2014.05.07 10:14:00 - [3] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: What challenge? Setting an egg timer to alt tab back from watching Family Guy on Netflix? Ah, you mean what "real players" do when attacking a POS? Only because something CAN be a valid and engaging gameplay experience, doesn't mean it always actually is... ...and I watch Grey's Anatomy on a seperate screen, thank you very much. So your point is that because structure shooting sucks and no one likes it... that somehow makes mining awesome, acceptable gameplay that isn't a step away from botting? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5846	Posted - 2014.05.07 10:15:00 - [4] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Shederov Blood wrote: Obvious solution is kill more miners. There are very few situations in which killing more miners is not an appropriate response. The last time I burnt a piece of toast, I killed a miner. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5846	Posted - 2014.05.07 10:28:00 - [5] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: So your point is that because structure shooting sucks and no one likes it... that somehow makes mining awesome, acceptable gameplay that isn't a step away from botting? No, my point is: All forms of gameplay in EVE have dull and uninteresting sides, and if CCP tries to reduce those, I'm all for it... but all folks like you see is: Evil miners are runing my pew pew. While everything in EVE has some boring aspects, mining is the only thing that is nothing but a boring aspect. Besides, I just bump and gank them because "I'm doing my part" to stop botting. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5846	Posted - 2014.05.07 10:41:00 - [6] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: if you want to do your part to stop bots; report them. So you know what the difference is between a miner who is afk, and one who is botting? I sure don't. It's like the Pepsi Challenge. "9 out of 10 Caldari Navy Antimatter shells can't tell the difference!" If reporting them worked, we wouldn't have to gank them. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5846	Posted - 2014.05.07 10:45:00 - [7] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: ...and people still think miners are the reason, CCP is buffing mining... I let you in on a little secret: We are not, gankers are! They're buffing mining? Oh, wait, no they're not. They're buffing the Skiff and the Procurer, the true vessels of all Code compliant miners. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5846	Posted - 2014.05.07 10:50:00 - [8] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If reporting them worked, we wouldn't have to gank them. You don't "have" to do anything in a game... you do it because it gives you purpous and the feeling of accomplishment with actually, you know... accomplishing anything... I get it. Coming from someone defending a profession that consists of actively not playing the game, this run on sentence makes perfect sense. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5848	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:06:00 - [9] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: Well, I hope the potential new players, changes like that would attract would counterbalance the multyboxers loosing their additional accounts. If they're ISBoxing mining, they aren't paying for their accounts anyway. So the answer is 100% yes. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5848	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:10:00 - [10] - Quote March rabbit wrote: yea... paying subscription, buying ships, buying stuff, selling ore/minerals, competing for ice, providing targets for other people == 'actively not playing the game' i like your logic No, sitting in a belt pressing F1 every half an hour is actively not playing the game. Do try to keep up. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.

Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5848	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:18:00 - [11] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: you mean, the same thing people in null do with ishtars? also, if you've ever tried to mine in high sec, you'd realise it's closer to about 4 mins, than 30. Ice mining is a tad higher cycle time than regular mining, you are aware? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5848	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:27:00 - [12] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Dave Stark wrote: you mean, the same thing people in null do with ishtars? also, if you've ever tried to mine in high sec, you'd realise it's closer to about 4 mins, than 30. Ice mining is a tad higher cycle time than regular mining, you are aware? are you aware; they aren't. hulk, 67 seconds ice cycle time. mackinaw 50.6 second ice cycle time. skiff 25.9 second ice cycle time. ore cycle time 121.8 seconds cycle time. facepalm Look. Granted, I mis spoke slightly, but what I'm talking about is that you can fill your ore hold on one ice node, while you have to swap occasionally between actual asteroids. My bad on that. But Ice mining is: One F1. Come back half an hour later, warp to station, unload, warp to belt, go back to step 1. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5848	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:30:00 - [13] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: i reckon most people'd recognise the need for more entertaining/challenging pve and more than one viable anom As long as it's nothing like the hacking minigame... You're kidding, right? The hacking minigame is what they should be using as a baseline, you actually have to pay some damned attention. And doing it in lower security areas is awesome, since you have to watch D-scan all the while. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5848	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:33:00 - [14] - Quote Yay so you're actually playing the game once every 15 minutes instead of half an hour. Changes everything, now it's a shining example of engaging gameplay. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5848	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:40:00 - [15] - Quote So, I realized that I judged the time based on my own skills, to fly a bait Procurer. I hadn't realized that anyone could actually train up all those ice mining skills without going insane from boredom. I don't particularly have an issue with PI. Or with research, or any of that other stuff. Mostly because they aren't in open space while they do it. And also because people who do those things tend not to ***** and moan about how they should be safe in open space. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5848	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:50:00 - [16] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: so not interacting with the game is fine, you were just arguing that was the issue because you were parroting some one else's incorrect propaganda than using your own brain? Not particularly. I was killing miners before it was cool. Yes, ganker hipster is a thing. And as to the PI question.. Not interacting with the game while not being logged in, in open space is fine. You can do whatever you want while you're docked up, no one cares. Trade, make contracts, talk in local, write Fedo poetry, it doesn't matter. When a PI guy goes to a poco to get his haul, and takes it back to a station, he is playing the game. Unless he's autopiloting. But not playing the game while logged in, in open space, and making money? That is not fine. It's actually far worse than mission running, despite how very bad that activity is for being engaging gameplay. A miner doesn't even shoot anything, they just sit there. Like scenery. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5848	Posted - 2014.05.07 12:01:00 - [17] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: also fun fact; afking in an ishtar makes MORE money for LESS interaction. yet you don't go around ganking them now do you? (or you might, i don't know, but you sure don't whine about it as much that's for sure) Of course I try to kill them. Noticeable difference though, way more of them try to get away because they're actually at their keyboards. Bagged two Oracles in short succession with my SB character last week, though. Renters, yeesh. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5848	Posted - 2014.05.07 12:06:00 - [18] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Dave Stark wrote: also fun fact; afking in an ishtar makes MORE money for LESS interaction. yet you don't go around ganking them now do you? (or you might, i don't know, but you sure don't whine about it as much that's for sure) Of course I try to kill them. Noticeable difference though, way more of them try to get away because they're actually at their keyboards. Bagged two Oracles in short succession with my SB character last week, though. Renters, yeesh. no, it's easier for them to get away because it's far easier to identify hostiles outside of high sec. Not in Provi, no. And besides it's not hard to indentify hostiles in highsec. It's just that no one aligns when 8 neg tens jump into local. So either they think they are secure in "high security space" or they just aren't at their keyboards to notice. Both warrant their destruction. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5848	Posted - 2014.05.07 12:15:00 - [19] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Both warrant their destruction. and power to you. just stop pretending it's for some greater good rather than the fact that you find it hilarious and entertaining. :P Of course it's hilarious and entertaining. It just so happens that it is for a greater good. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5848	Posted - 2014.05.07 12:21:00 - [20] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: It just so happens that it is for a greater good. We'll see about that, when prices shift because recycling isn't as profitable/industry relevant anymore as it used to be... The greater good my a... What on earth does refining have to do with it? Killing people is always a good cause, the economy does not function without loss. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.

Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5862	Posted - 2014.05.07 18:38:00 - [21] - Quote Enraku Reynolt wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Dave Stark wrote: if you want to do your part to stop bots; report them. So you know what the difference is between a miner who is afk, and one who is botting? I sure don't. It's like the Pepsi Challenge. "9 out of 10 Caldari Navy Antimatter shells can't tell the difference!" If reporting them worked, we wouldn't have to gank them. well, that's cause you probly shoot first then ask questions later, which never works Far from it. But by the time you've bumped someone 30km off the belt and their lasers have shut down, the question is pretty much academic anyway. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5875	Posted - 2014.05.08 09:12:00 - [22] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Miners shoot lasers at things that can't shoot back. Gankers shoot lasers at things that ~~can't~~ refuse to ~~shoot back~~ defend themselves. Coincidence? Fixed. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5878	Posted - 2014.05.08 12:33:00 - [23] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: Refuse to defend? Not really... we sometimes simply aren't able to... one thing that should actually not be possible in a PvP centered game. This is true, sometimes you just die. That's how a PvP game works, actually. Everywhere but highsec, that is. Are you actually telling me that mining ships can't be pre-aligned? Or what? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5879	Posted - 2014.05.08 12:38:00 - [24] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Shalua Rui wrote: Refuse to defend? Not really... we sometimes simply aren't able to... one thing that should actually not be possible in a PvP centered game. This is true, sometimes you just die. That's how a PvP game works, actually. Everywhere but highsec, that is. Are you actually telling me that mining ships can't be pre-aligned? Or what? You're arguing with people who, in their own minds, are victims. You will never ever be able to convinced someone who was born a victim that 'justice' (and safety) is something you make and earn, not something that is given. Oh, I am aware of that. What I don't understand is why, if they are so averse to getting blown up, that they insist on flying non combat ships. "Miners can't defend themselves and it's not fair!" Yeah, you chose a non combat ship. You chose not to defend yourself. When you are flying a mining barge, you are the gazelle. If you don't want to be the gazelle, then don't fly non combat ships. It's like they think they get to have their cake and eat it to, or something. Like they think they're special. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5881	Posted - 2014.05.08 12:59:00 - [25] - Quote This is far more simple than you are making it. If you fly a non combat ship, you have abdicated the ability to defend yourself. If you don't like that, then just don't mine. But stop whining about the consequences of the choice you made. Yes, you can get blown up. Don't like it? Then either learn to align, or don't mine. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5881	Posted - 2014.05.08 13:00:00 - [26] - Quote "highsec is there for a reason"? Pretty sure that reason isn't "mine endlessly in complete safety". You might want to drop a ticket so a GM can answer that, but I am pretty sure I saw somewhere that you aren't safe anywhere in EVE unless you're docked. Idk where, just popped into my head for some reason. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5882	Posted - 2014.05.08 13:37:00 - [27] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If you fly a non combat ship, you have abdicated the ability to defend yourself. Nah, plenty of ships that dont have combat as their primary roles can defend themselves. Abdication of personal responsibility is the fault of the pilot, not of the ship manufacturers "Defend yourself" meaning "shoot back" in this instance. As opposed to highsec, where it means "tank enough to not die before the invincible all powerful space police arrive". "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5885	Posted - 2014.05.08 14:32:00 - [28] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: I hate people picking on other people... Then you are playing the wrong game. Quote: that's my baseline... I would have to stop living if I would try to avoid that. I can't have it, I can't enjoy it, and I can't understand other people that do... not even in a game. shrugs Then you are playing the wrong game. Here you go. https://register.perfectworld.com/sto_splashB "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5885	Posted - 2014.05.08 14:35:00 - [29] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Shalua Rui wrote: Why do I want EVE to be more popular? Because it's a good game that turns many people off with it's general unfriendlyness, and (certain parts) of the community are as much to blame for that then CCP... difference is, CCP seams to be willing to learn... sometimes. If you let in the muggles, it wont be a good game anymore I came to EvE because of the lack of WoWheads and CoDKids, not inspite of it Bingo. I started playing EVE, and I still play EVE, because of this. And I enjoy, I literally revel in the reputation this game has, because it keeps all the "gamer" demographics that I despise from playing it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5885	Posted - 2014.05.08 15:03:00 - [30] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: Decaneos wrote: To much time being popped seems to of scrambled the PVP'ers brains cause they fail to understand how this game works. It's a certain mindset... a predominantly male one... but a discussion like that would blow up this thread. The two most vicious people I have ever met in this game were both female. One of them, when I was a pretty new player, was a 65+ year old woman in a retirement complex. To hear her on comms with that sweet old grandmother voice yelling at us to "Get the mother****er's pod!" was always a trip. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.

Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5888	Posted - 2014.05.08 16:07:00 - [31] - Quote Solecist Project's Alt wrote: If you are in for ganker tears, roll a char, skill thrasher and a bit of gunnery. Seek out gankers, wait until they strike and blow up the victims wreck. Works better with gate gankers. Personally I suggest the Thrasher as well for doing that. If you split your guns, you can get the wreck and get the pod of the ganker if you are quick enough at it. Although I know a guy who counter ganks in a T1 exploration frigate, for extra humiliation. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5889	Posted - 2014.05.08 16:44:00 - [32] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Well, all areas are currently ahead of tears. Mining is just staggeringly so. So, tell me how Eve is about PvP again? Pat yourself on the back some more. I'm serious, just keep on chestbeating about succeeding at the single lowest hanging fruit in the game. At least even NPCs, however lame they are, shoot back. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5984	Posted - 2014.05.12 00:48:00 - [33] - Quote rswfire wrote: I've met a lot of miners in my time in Eve and honestly in my experience they tend to be the most altruistic. That's funny. I've found it to be one of the single most selfish acts possible in the game. They're not doing anything, they're not playing with anyone. They're just sitting there, watching the green number get bigger. It's just running the rat wheel. And yet, when even the slightest thing happens to rattle that cage, bump it, if you will, they pour forth some of most vile things I have ever heard spoken. Real life threats, disgusting sexual insults, you name it. Altruists? Hardly. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5984	Posted - 2014.05.12 00:58:00 - [34] - Quote rswfire wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: rswfire wrote: I've met a lot of miners in my time in Eve and honestly in my experience they tend to be the most altruistic. That's funny. I've found it to be one of the single most selfish acts possible in the game. They're not doing anything, they're not playing with anyone. They're just sitting there, watching the green number get bigger. It's just running the rat wheel. And yet, when even the slightest thing happens to rattle that cage, bump it, if you will, they pour forth some of most vile things I have ever heard spoken. Real life threats, disgusting sexual insults, you name it. Altruists? Hardly. Well, I can only speak for the ones I've met, I suppose. Our miners are part of a community, so perhaps that makes a difference. That is certainly a fair statement. I can say much the same of the miners in my alliance as well, I suppose it's a result of being a part of something larger that can be contributed to. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5992	Posted - 2014.05.12 09:06:00 - [35] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Perhaps the bile some miners spew has to do with the constant bile spewed at them about being botters, being scum, being worthless etc.... Look at yourself and how you paint them before you throw stones at their behaviour. Then they should probably stop botting so much. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5992	Posted - 2014.05.12 09:17:00 - [36] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: Perhaps the bile some miners spew has to do with the constant bile spewed at them about being botters, being scum, being worthless etc.... Look at yourself and how you paint them before you throw stones at their behaviour. Then they should probably stop botting so much. so should all the people in null sec with their ishtars. If those guys are botting, then yeah, I agree. I'm talking about the part where CCP says the vast majority of bots are found in highsec, and of those the majority are miners. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.

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